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the size of our floor space. and the more we expand, the more space we have for instruments and musicians to come play them. rock n roll will never die. how can the plum card's trade terms get your business booming? booming is putting more music in more people's hands. what happened? new theories this morning on the abrupt recess in the casey anthony trial. could a plea dealen in the works? disaster in the desert. the number of deaths on the rise after a terrible train collision. officials still trying to figure out how to happened. the battle for 2012, after a new poll, are two republicans emerging as front-runners for the party's presidential bid. a new way to fly. now tourists can take a thrill ride. we'll explain where and how. good morning, everyone. i'm alex witt. welcome to "msnbc sunday." serious new questions in the
casey anthony trial. it took an unexpected and surprise turn when the judge abruptly put an end to proceedings yesterday morning, citing a legal issue. but exactly what that means remains a mystery today. now everyone is wondering, what happened? nbc's kerry sanders has more from orlando. >> reporter: before the jury even entered the courtroom -- >> he done even flow if this is know or new. >> reporter: jose baez and jeff ashton were at it again, sparring over an expert witness' expected tem. >> i'm afraid, once again, we're in the position of experts having supplemented their opinions without notice to the state. >> reporter: accused murderer casey anthony stared emotionless as the prosecutor ranted the defense again broke florida's court rules, trying to bring in surprise testimony at the last minute. then, without explanation, the judge abruptly adjourned what was to be five hours of
testimony. a mysterious end to the day that won't be explained until monday, this after a week that had another jaw-dropping twist. >> i found out my grandmother has been taken. >> reporter: almost four weeks ago, cindy testified for the state. and was overcome with emotion as she listened with the jury to her 911 call. that her daughter's car had the stench of death, appearing to support the state's claim that caylee's lifeless body had been stowed in the trunk for several days before being dumped in the woods. but this week, both cindy and casey's brother, lee -- >> i was also -- >> reporter: -- delivered powerful testimony that appeared to contradict that claim with pictures of caylee opening the door to the backyard all alone and photos of her in the swimming pool, cindy anthony now seeming to support what the judge calls the defense theory of an accidental drowning. >> do you know what that photograph is of, mrs. anthony?
>> yes. >> would you like to take a break? do you need a break? >> no, i'm okay. >> learning from cindy anthony how much caylee loved to swim, and then seeing the photographs of her climbing up the ladder into the pool is a first step toward proving accidental drowning. but the defense still has to connect the dots. >> reporter: for 28 days now, casey anthony, at times, in tears when the jury's in the room, and when out, rarely shedding a tear, facing a potential death penalty, if convicted of murder. kerry sanders, nbc news, orlando. >> we will have more on the casey anthony trial and her behavior inside the courtroom. we'll hear from a former fbi criminal profiling about his observations and the dynamic within the anthony family. it is coming up in just a few minutes for you. new details this morning from that fiery amtrak crash. the death toll climbed to six, and officials say two dozen people remain unaccounted for following that collision of the amtrak passenger train and a truck in rural nevada.
officials and working on confirming six victims' identities and notifying famili. skid marks indicate the truck driver did try to stop and the railroad crossing signals and lights were working at the time of the crash but hesitant to give a cause. >> we'll not be determining probable cause of this accident while on scene, nor will we speculate about what may have caused accident. >> officials say it may take a year to figure out the reason behind that crash. right now, new york city is gearing up for one of the biggest gay pride parades in the country and the marchers have something now celebrate. new york the sixth and largest state to legalize same-sex marriage after week of nail-biting negotiations in the republican-controlled state senate. peter alexander is joining me live. pete, with a good morning, tell me more about the milestone weekend. >> reporter: good taday to you.
gay pride parade scheduled. it was preset. there's a celebration lasting into the weekend it it's going to end at the now historic stonewall inn, the same place where the gay rights movement began 42 years ago. >> reporter: in the streets of manhattan's greenwich village, celebrations and overflowing pride. >> we can get married or not get married and it's not up to you any mo anymore. >> reporter: the bill passed bay slim margin late saturday. the new law is not without its opponents, including new york's catholic archbishop, tim dolan who said, he was deeply disappointed and troubled by a measure that will alter radically and forever humanity's historic understanding of marriage. new york joins five other states and the district of columbia, allowing same-sex marriage, specifically banned in 41 states. new york's vote was celebrated
across the atlantic, from paris to berlin. recent polls suggest americans are divided over same-sex marriage but support has been increasing. forcing some republicans to reconsider long-held positions. >> the politicians realize, we're on the losing side of this. we are losing the under 30s by something like 3-1, and if we stick our heels in, we're going to look as if we were resistant to the forces of history. >> want to use orange? >> reporter: in new york city, nick and rick, together for the last ten years, are the parents of 3-year-old twins. >> ours is a different family but it should be -- have the same rights as any other family. >> reporter: they are already making plans to marry late next month, when the law goes into effect. >> i think it will just sort of be nice to finally say, i'm married. >> a bunch of different surveys out that show new york could make between $184 million and an
estimated $400 million from the economic activity surrounding gay weddings and the related tourism over the next three years. by the way, new york city's reportedly reached an agreement with some of the state's judges to make more of them available to perform those same-sex marriages in the near future. >> it is incredible. i was listening to a woman talk about a business in massachusetts opened, once massachusetts approved same-sex marriage. now she's like i'm high tailing it in new york city. >> hotels, florists make money. >> it doesn't -- this has done nothing to make people say, now we can get married in a church. if a church allows it that's fine, but the church has the ultimate say? >> reporter: it's the catholic community that's the opponent in the process. catholic mass begins here in new york city, 2 1/2 hours from now. we will be there to hear the archbishop speaking as well and get a sense of what that community says as it relates to what happened in the last several days. >> peter alexander, thanks. a glimmer of hope in north
dakota. the swollen river is -- in minot, rather, peaked two feet lower than originally thought. the city remains on edge. >> the next several days are going to be critical, it will be at the highest level of risk. >> reporter: the record breaking flood swamped 4,000 homes and forced evacuation of 12,000 residents. it could be weeks before residents could return home. almost none have flood insurance to help rebuild. janelle klein is in minot, north dakota with the latest. give us the definitive pronunciation of the river. which is it? what are the local call it? >> reporter: it is the sirus river. a river that originates in canada and that's where all of the water is coming from. >> thank you so much. with regard to the latest on the record breaking tolls, we saw them rising yesterday, incrementally with you, all morning long. how does look today? >> reporter: unfortunately, it
is still not crested. that was the hope it would reach its crest overnight and start to recede. that has not happened. they are expecting the crest will occur shortly but as you can see, the water still very high. 4500 homes and businesses at the minimum now damaged by the flood. some of them under water over their rooftops. so this is a really significant flood here, alex. they are also having a lot of issues with evacuations, 12,000 people or more than a quarter of minot's population had to flee. now a new issue, the floodwater contaminated the city's drinking water system. there is no drinking water available in minot, everybody having to boil and drink it from bottles. there is fighting water but none to drink here. it is a concern here. >> how long will it take to fix? what are they able to do to get that fixed? >> reporter: they're testing it
now to see how bad the contamination is to confirm it has been contaminated. in the meantime, people having to boil water, having to drink it from bottled water. but this could take weeks for the city to get back to a point where people can get back into homes and assess damage. this water isn't going anywhere. it's coming from canada, heavy rains last week and snow melt in the upper midwest, all of the water dumping into dams and those dams releasing that water. it's coming down toward minot and it's swamping the city. they did not expect this amount of water. they knew maybe they'd have high water this year. they built levees in the hope to protect the city. there's now six times the amount of water coming into minot than nose levees were designed for, and it's overtaken the city. >> the water behind you, it makes me wonder, is anybody still around or is it just news crews and emergency officials? >> reporter: well, fortunately,
minot is hillier than what many part of north dakota are. we've seen a lot of flooding in the state including the spring in fargo area and several years ago in the grand forks area. that region of north dakota, very flat. here in the western part of the state, there is more change in terrain if you will. there are valleys and peaks and that's the good news, it's not flat the water is contained to that valley. again, about a quarter of the population evacuated. so that area that's in the lowest lying areas of the city affected but fortunately there are areas of minot not hit by the river water, and that's where people are, alex, keeping a close eye on this, and hoping they're able to get the water down and back in their homes. >> janelle klein, thanks very much. torrential downpours have triggered more flooding down south in missouri. rain-swollen river water broke through four levees and washed
out more than 400 homes and 800 in danger. more rain's expected in central florida after a band of thunderstorms raked the panhandle, causing several car accidents including one that injured seven people in orange county. the weather channel's jeff morrow is here with more. it seems like so much rain in some places and way too dry in others. >> reporter: isn't that the way it always is, though? robbed in one place, we get way too much in another? thunderstorms come with the authority this time of the year in the midwest. wherever you see the red here that includes where janelle was talking near mi in tnot through st. louis which got rocked with heavy rain and atlanta later this afternoon. we can't buy a drop of rain in the southwest from texas into the desert areas. it is hot, it is dry. on the east coast, well, after you get off work today, enjoy a nice day in new york city. 81, watch out for storms from nashville to aen and up here in
the midwest. oklahoma city, 102. 108 in el paso. no rain there. pleasant along the west coast day today. 74 in lake tahoe. seattle, 73. >> i tell you, we are going to get outside and enjoy new york city while we can. from there to politics. a major poll released last night in iowa, and it shows mitt romney and michele bachmann neck and neck in the gop race. romney topping with 23% from the caucusgoers in the des moines register poll. bachmann picking up a close 22%. the next contender and only other candidate to pull double digits her incaman cain. tim pawlenty lawen. ed an aggressive campaign in iowa but yet to pay off. he finished behind newt gingrich and ron paul. bachmann will officially launch her campaign tomorrow in iowa. she'll be in her hometown of
waterloo. bachmann hosts a kick-off party before the formal party tomorrow. newt gingrich busy in the hawkeye state rolling through on a tea party bus tour. he said saturday to be considered a serious candidate you have to do well enough in iowa. gingrich declared his campaign would survive despite a slew of staffers who resigned. he launched attacks at the president. >> this is an historic period where the combination of obama's performance failure and his radicalism create a level of concern among american people. >> rick santorum who garnered 4% support in the iowa poll on the trail in south carolina. santorum announced new support in the state, barrett is endorsing him. new jersey governor chris christie maintained he's staying out of the presidential race. he will appear on "meet the press" later today. moderator david gregory asked the governor about his no
nonsense attitude. >> are you tabrasive? too tough when people question you. >> i'm huggable and lovable. i'm honest. i wish we had more of it in politic. people are tired of blow-dried, tested answers that are given by political consultants to politicians and everybody sounds the same. ra ra ra, everybody sounds the same. i don't sound the same. you know why? i say what i believe from my heart. if some people are offended by that, i'm sorry. >> we invite you watch "meet the press" today. see more of david gregory's interview with new jersey governor chris christie. david will have exclusives with two members of the armed services committee on "meet the press." more on the dramatic twist in the casey anthony trial. we'll hear from legal analysts about the mysterious early end to court yesterday. and the unexplained legal matter
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>> dramatic twist in the casey anthony trial. the judge abruptly adjourned court yesterday because of an unexplained legal matter. lawyers are not commenting. for the reason, the recess remains a mystery. the trial's expected to resume tomorrow morning. i'm joined by clint van zandt. >> good morning. >> you've been watching the
trial, and we often talk. >> it from a legal perspective. as a criminal profiler, what is your general take of what off-season so far? >> well, you know, this is like a nonstop three-year episode of "csi." this is the case, least for the media that keeps on giving. what we kind of forget there's more behind the soap opera than just the characters. there is the loss of life of this little girl. somebody's responsible for that and, of course, that's what we're trying to find out. but you know, i've watched the case from the beginning. my opinion sure hasn't changed and nothing that i've heard in court has really changed that either. >> do you see anything, though, by casey's point she's stoic and nonresponsive and then we see pictures of her there and she's crying and breaking down. what does that indicate to you? >> one questions the behavior of her and her family. we've watched the dysfunctional family. we've seen some of the players in this who have lied from the beginning. when you see somebody lie about
little things, like a relationship or anything else, and in this case you lie about little things, you lie about big things. i think the jury has reason to question the behavior that they see on the stand, and especially in statements. we see self-serving statements. originally the family members spoke about their daughter, talked about smells like a dead body in the car. now they've kind of changed all of that. now there is acceptable reasons for everything that they've said and we've come up with this swimming pool theory, she drowned, her father abused her. i'm not buying it, alex. >> i wanted to ask you. the reasoning behind all of this, the defense says she accidentally drowned, caylee did. >> sure. >> and casey covered it up. suppose that's the case, why would someone cover up an accident? ever seen anything like that? >> no. i've known people who have lost children in the pools in their house, so i speak from that personal perspective, and i've
never seen a time where somebody doesn't dial 911. we're parents. we know the hope is that if we can't rescue that child, someone could come in, do some miracle and save that child from drowning. you don't pick up the body, put it in the trunk of the car, drive around for a couple of days and then take it out in the woods when there's a child in the pool, you 911, and you do everything you can to save it. so this flies against what you and i would do, and most anybody in your audience would do as a parent or grand parent. >> got to wonder if anyone on the jury's thinking that same way, the common sense per sp perspective, despite what they her from attorneys. a legendary country singer's home goes up in flames and ho r history is lost.
new york became the sixth state and the largest state to grant gay marriage in the u.s. couldn't come at a better time. one of the oldest and largest pride parades. katharine craig joining us live from the parade root. looks like the action the not under way yet but it will look different behind you in a few hours. good morning. >> reporter: yes. tourists and a lot of police officers, they expect so many people to be here. i was talking with parade organizes, this year he's event will likely break records in terms of attendance, to say this parade is festive seems like the understatement of the year, but it is. and is celebratory and attended by politicians. andrew quomo, he has become the face of same-sex marriage and also a champion of it. he signed into law the marriage equality bill friday night in albany and it has been a
celebration in the gay community and beyond ever since a lot of people are talking about the future they have friends, who have been together for a long time and plan on getting married. this parade will kick off around noon time in about 3 1/2 hours from now. we will see governor quomo 30 minutes before the start of the parade. we're right by the start of the parade, the empire state building. >> you are indeed. how about the size of the crowd? people have been celebrating since friday in various parts of manhattan. do you think it's going to be larger because of the gay marriage signed into law? >> reporter: that's what parade organizers are expecting, some say maybe 2 million people. the saint patrick's day parade 1.5 million people gather on the sidelines and in the parade. a lot of people working the parade believe that it might top around 2 million people. imagine the small neighborhood of the west village, thousands of people there friday night with a marriage equality bill signed into law, people took to the streets, traffic shut down.
this parade, expect a lot of people to be on the sidewalks and along the side streets as well. also hearing about protester as well, alex, member of the west b borough west baptist church, they protest military funerals and people who die from aids. >> a controversial group. we'll talk about that next hour. thank you. did an uninvited guest show up at a wedding reception? the photograph that is raising questions giving people some goose bumps. what is that? it's you! it's me? alright emma, i know it's not your favorite but it's time for your medicine, okay? you ready? one, two, three. [ both ] ♪ emma, emma bo-bemma ♪ banana-fana-fo-femma ♪ fee-fi-fo-femma ♪ em-ma very good sweety, how do you feel? good. yeah? you did a really good job, okay?
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be worse if you don't vote for more. it seems inevitable some percentage of the most loyal democrats will stay home. eleanor cliff a contributing editor of the daily beast. >> good morning. >> tremendous expectations put on the presidency, of course. a lot came from the concept of hope, as the president campaigned on. will the president have trouble energizing his base because some fill disillusioned at this point? >> i think 2008 was a rare moment in american history and i don't think that the president can duplicate that. there's too much that's gone wrong and not enough promise fulfilled. but i think he can set this up, not necessarily as a referendum on his four years and whether thhe did everything he could. i think if the republicans proceed to have a year of
primaries where they're arguing over whether evolution should abdon'ted and they want to close down planned parenthood clinics and shut down spending for a lot of programs that not just democrats like, a lot of people like, that there will be two very different visions about government. and i think, unfortunately, join have a choice election, and i think president george w. bush had that in 2004 with john kerry and he proceeded to eviscerate john kerry who looked like he had the strong national security credentials and by the time election day came it was george w. bush who looked like he was stronger, and yet he had never really fully served his military commitment. so, a choice election involves tearing down the other side. i'm sure democrats hope the republicans will do that to themselves. but i think we could be in for a negative campaign season. >> as we look ahead to -- rather
look back at what the president promised to do and what he's accomplished, there are a lot of things to talk about. there's health care reform. there's repealing don't ask, don't tell, drawn down from iraq, soon from afghanistan as well. why don't liberals feel he's lived up to their expectations. >> because they want public option in health care and they feel it was watered down and they think that he still doesn't support gay marriage. he's fallen short from the ideals that he, himself, set out. but i think if you live in washington, as i do, you understand the resistance that he's met from just about every quarter. if you're president, you're balancing all kind of interests. the speech on afghanistan is a case in point. liberals would like him to stand up and say, you know we're out of there, but he's balancing what the generals are demanding, what the job potential for returning troops, when the jobs
aren't there, the national security concerns where pakistan fits in. he's got to take a lot of different things into account. for the first time i heard a president talk about war and affordability and that's another accomplishment that i would give him, that he has dared to confront some national security risks by saying our economic security is equally important. i think he has a very good record, but he himself has not been out there really selling himself and what he's accomplished and of course we're facing a debt ceiling crisis. once again, it looks like the republicans could be playing him. so i think there are many tests ahead. it's far too soon to really say what kind of campaign he's going to run a year from now. >> i'm just betting we're going to see more of him selling himself in the next 12 months. what do you think? >> i suspect. >> thank you very much, good to see you, eleanor. the defense in the casey anthony murder trial's expected
to call more witnesses when court resumes tomorrow morning. the court session came to a sudden halt when the judge announced an unexplained legal matter had come up and that legal issue remains a mystery. let's bring in our legal panel. kendall coffey, criminal defense attorney and former u.s. attorney, paul calhan. kendall, i'll begin with you. the question is, what could this legal matter be? >> of course we don't know. of course we can't resist speculating, because everything about the case is fascinating. because of a cancellation of a defense state, probably means the judge is considering some exclusion of defense testimony, could be fourth sequel of the same thing, defense didn't comply with court orders, the prosecution claims surprise and is judge is trying to sort it out without punishing casey anthony by excludeing evidence and without creating an issue of appeal down the road. >> that's something that's been like a rite of passage on a dale by basis with jose baez, he's
done this a lot and it's angered this judge. he's pulled this stunt by some accounts. wild speculation, paul, things out there, plea deal, i mean would this precede a plea deal? >> you would shut down testimony if there were a serious plea negotiation under way. that's also a possibility, particularly in a case like this where this is a case where everybody thinks casey anthony is guilty but the physical evidence linking her to the crime, it just very, very thin, so could there be a plea negotiation? yes. also, i think belvin perry, tough, tough, judge, he's fed up with the defense. they're throwing out -- every day a witness takes the stand with some bizarre story how the anthony family was dysfunctional and maybe the brother's the father of the baby and all of this stuff that really is not linked to the murder case. >> i was going to ask, what is the point of doing that? we talk about the case all the time, whether we're in makeup room or sitting with writers, is
that because they're trying to -- if she's convicted keep her from the death penalty? would that be what that would be for? >> no. i think, frankly, if you don't have a lot of evidence, you know, to offer to back up a theory -- now the defense gave this bizarre theory, drowning accident, coverup by the father. they don't have the evidence to support it, so now they're throwing things left and right to try to say to the jury, well, maybe you should believe it because it's a dysfunctional family. >> kendall, i want to ask you, in your experience as an attorney, how much do you worry about people and the element of common sense in a juror's mind as they look at something? my point being, you may have heard clint van zandt saying instinctively, this argument it was an accidental drowning, when then goes, after an accident and tries to cover that up? most people would rush to 911 and they would just be beside themselves with fear and somebody help me, save my child, and that's not the way these people act. don't you think people will
think, wait a minute, this just doesn't make sense, no matter what these attorneys are throwing out there? >> juries have plenty of common sense. one of the realities of common sense lying and covering up is a great way to get yourself convicted specially when it's a mother and her own child, especially when it's at least 30 days of it. what the defense is trying to do is just throw out so many questions, free throating curiosities, intrigue, so when it gets back to the jury deliberation, somebody's going to say i can't put all of the pieces together there are puzzling things about casey anthony, alex, because we still don't see her as a physically abusive, murderous kind of person with an obvious motive to kill her own child. they're banking on the weakness of motive, trying to put 100 questions out there, from everything from salacious things to csi things to get some sof those of those to get reasonable doubt. >> what point does that barometer set itself that you
know, what's reasonable doubt as opposed to little bit of doubt? >> that's a great question. anybody who has tried murder cases -- i'm sure we both have through the years -- that's always a questions the jurors come back to the judge on. they say recharge us on that, give us the law. the law is unleclear on definin. it's law based on a reason. that's as clear as you get on what reasonable doubt is. it's a common sense feeling, something strong in your gut there's not enough proof that the person committed the crime. and it's not innocence. not guilty doesn't mean you're innocent, it just means the prosecutor hasn't met the standard. >> can you figure out a way to judge within reasonable doubt and maybe doubt? >> the jury's going to spend a lot of time talking about that very issue in deliberations. for baez, he in effect put some burden on himself by proclaiming it's an accidental drowning.
so now they're not just looking for did the state prove its case beyond the exclusion of reasonable doubt, it's did the defense meet its spec lackltacu allegations. >> good to see you both. across the nation, in nashville, tennessee, a legendary country producer's music home went up in flame at home of cowboy jack clement. his home filled with memorabilia, including original recordings of johnny cash and patsy klein that cannot be replaced. new denver, colorado, a small bomb partly exploded inside a bookstore. part of the mall was closed saturday after two pipe bombs found in the borders store. one of the devices exploded but caused minimal damage to a small area inside the bookstore. rest of the mall was undamaged. in hannibal, missouri, the u.s. postal service unveiled the new forever mark twain stamp in
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the shadowy heritage and a haunting history. >> somehow it's not as creepy in daylight. >> i don't know. still creepy. >> reporter: matt and denile wanted a wedding reception they would never forget but the wine vaults gave them more than they bargained for. >> so was it the first picture or the second? >> the second, by the barrel. >> reporter: the night was going great, the band was playing, a friend was taking pictures. but then one picture revealed somethingunexpected, floating in a white coat, a figure, a ghost. >> she was here, took the picture, and -- >> reporter: she screamed when she took the picture. chelsea had to stop playing because it just took her back so much and she stopped and then karen, you know, was staring at this camera and came running out saying, look what i took, look what i took, there's somebody in the picture. >> reporter: they spent the rest of the night trying to re-create the phenomenon in the picture
with no success. >> i've shown it to a lot of people have i haven't gotten a solid answer on you know, this is what happened. >> reporter: when there's something strange, and it don't look good, many people call dale jarvis. >> i get ghost photographs sent to me. i'm skeptical about a lot of the ones that are sent me. >> reporter: but this picture is peculiar because it was taken at the wine vaults, where ghosts have been known to appear. >> people have had strange experiences, people hearing names, hearing footsteps, strange things happening in the space. so it is one of those locations that continuously generates new ghost stories. for the ghost it hasn't been seen since. who knows when it will make its next appearance. zack goudie, cbc news, st. johns. looking for a full james bond style experience next time in florida, you might want to strap on one of these because it's a water powered jet pack
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a new articlein "the washington post" suggests nation is left reeling by the financial crisis looking to an unlikely role model for recovery, sweden about the nation accomplished goals that u.s., britain, japan are struggling to reach, including fast economic growth, new job creation, and a booming housing market. boy if we could get all of that we'd be fixed, right? joining us d.c., neiler win. good morning. >> good morning. >> the recent article, i was fascinated, you call sweden the rock star of the recovery. why that is? >> well, it's simple, they're growing stronger, coming out of this crisis that they experienced as well but they're coming out of it faster, stronger than the united states and most of the developed world. they grew at 5.5% last year. we grew less than 3%. unemployment rate down to 7%. ours is only down to 9. so you know, they've charted a course that's pulling them out
of the crisis, out of the negative experience we've been in, and returning prosperity. >> what did they do? >> well, the biggest things that they learned lessons from the last crisis. they had a bad crisis in the early 1990s and coming out of that, they fix some of the fundamental things. they were better prepared. for example, they started running a surplus in good years. they didn't run a budget deficit when times were good. in 2006 when the united states running 3% deficit of gdp they had a surplus of 3%. they were better able to weather the damage. they tightened things on the banks and made sure the banks wouldn't sink the economy when things went south. they prepared themselves to be ready for anything negative that came along. >> you write, particularly with the banks, banks are always make blunders just make sure they don't doom the economy. they did have major losses, as well, when everybody -- >> banks didn't have problems.
banks had done lending in the baltic stated, so they had huge losses in this crisis, too. the difference is that they had a financial system that was in place, and management of those losses that enabled them to weather them and get through them and not doom the economy the way we experienced with subprime housing bubble. >> okay. neiler win, thanks for the heads up. we can look to sweden, see if we can learn lessons there. >> the draw-down policy in afghanistan. will it make the u.s. less safe? my cream is what makes stouffer's fettuccini alfredo
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since the president's announcement of a troop drawdown, the violence in afghanistan shows no sign of stopping. at least 35 people killed in a suicide bombing saturday, and a clinic in eastern afghanistan, one of the deadliest attacks on civilians this year. joining me from washington, msnbc military analyst, general barry mccaffrey. good morning. your assessment of the real
situation on the ground in afghanistan. where are we in this war? >> well, i think we're in trouble. the bottom line is, we're fighting a culture of corruption with an incompetent government, karzai's turned into a political disaster. the country's walked way from supporting the war, and the president started an ambiguous strategy that is a strategic withdrawal. so who knows what's going to happen. you know, tremendous engagement by the u.s., thousands of casualties. we're running $10 billion a month and the outcome looks extremely questionable at this point. >> how long until you believe the karzai government is ready to take over? and if it takes over, will that bring about the change that the united states is hoping for? >> well, you know, there's a great article op-ed in today's, i think, new york time, tom
friedman, talking none of this will work unless the afghans want it and can make it work. i think the problem is that we've got an afghan army that looks like it can fight. we've got a government. we've got road networks but there seem to be a lack of political will. karzai's unstable, volatile, that's the problem, alex, not really the degree to which the u.s. has trained or enabled infrastructure. >> well then, general if that's the problem, as you see it, should there be such opposition or i guess concern is a better word, about the president's military draw-down there? is there a solution, does it lie within the u.s. military's presence in afghanistan, or are there so many other things to put together make this work? >> i think there's so many other things to put together. the strategic challenge is in pakistan, which is unstable and
nuclear armed and giant and a sanction wa sanctuary. we're not doing too well there. it's questionable what u.s. power can accomplish in this part of the world. bottom line, the president did probably the best he could given domestic politics to give the situation in afghanistan a chance to work. whether it will or not is unlikely. >> with the president calling for the troop withdrawal, though the, the drawdown, other nations doing the same thing, the brits will be oust there in 1215, does that mean more deaths for u.s. soldiers, ones that are still there? >> well, i think the u.s. casualty rate which has been significant, will not get worse. i think we're going to start pulling out basically. by 18 months from now, i
anticipate we'll come out with 30,000 or more. we'll start withdrawing from the contested areas, start fall back in kabul and kandahar. i don't think casualties will be the problem. the problem will be, will it work? was the ultimate sacrifice worth it or not? again, i think the problem is, afghan culture, corruption, incompetence, sanctuary in pakistan and karzai, a political disaster to us. >> sobering words but we appreciate them as always. why did the casey anthony trial abruptly end for the day yesterday? some possible theorys to the mystery after the break. a shocking find, undiscovered tribe never before known to civilization. incredible story. stick around for that. see how it's been found. and an ad controversy they look like cartoons to promote a car company. why some say they go too far. a lo t of
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